Fw: c182

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Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:19:19 PM
Subject: Re: c182

If we file IFR on such a long flight, we would be protected from all restricted, MOA, TFR's airspaces, plus Class B and C airspace's etc.

On short flights it is easy to map that out, but on a 900 mile cross country, its safer for us to file IFR, plus we will be flying at 6000 to 9000 foot altitudes for better fuel burns, and mountain ranges, and a lot more traffic„,IFR we will have ATC for traffic separation,,,,When I take the Heli, I go VFR since we only stay in the air 2+30min at 500 feet only, so we make 5 fuel stops along the way.

It will be good experience IFR

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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:59:03 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: c182

what would be the difference flying vfr ?

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Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:53:14 PM
Subject: c182

I was only guessing at 125 kts,,,and 12 ghp fuel bum„it is running at 7+55 min PBI to TEB this would be and IFR flight plan„„its 970nm miles IFR

DTC DUAT Transaction 1908299 09/19/2009 2146Z

DUAT.COM Flight Planner

Phase	Climb Rate	Airspeed	Fuel Flow	Cruising Altitude	Departure Time
Climb:	500 fpm	90 kts	15.0 gph	10000 Ft	19/2300Z
Cruise:	---	125 kts	10.0 gph
Descent:	500 fpm	130 kts	8.0 gph
Route. '	KPBI PBI V3 OMN V437 STARY VI CHS V437 FLO V56 FAY VI36 RDU V155 MANGE V157 RUUTH V479 ARD V214 TEB KTEB
Options:	All Winds Aloft Points, No Maximum Leg Distance selected

OD=0 D 0123Z-0 D=0 A 48 OD

Leg (From/ To)	Flight Level	Course (Mag.)	Heading (Mag.)	Ground Speed	Dist. (nm)	Leg Time	Total Time	End Time	Fuel (gal)	Fuel Left	Winds (deg/kts)	Wind Rpt	Actual Time

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PBI AIRPORT PALM BEACH INTL N26°40.99' W080°05.74'	0	/// =	ミ		ミ			2300Z		110.0
PBI VORTAC (PALM BEACH) 115.70 104X N26°40.80' W080°05.19'	2	114	114	90 96	1	0+00	0+00	2300Z	0.1	109.9	(missing)	MIA
MORGA N26°57.61' W080°11.93'	663	343	346	87	18	0+12	0+13	2312Z	3.1	106.8	040/005	MIA	[ ]
2659/08013 N26°59.50' W080°12.69'	70	343	345	92 22	2	0+01	0+14	2313Z	0.3	|106.5	100/004	MLB	[ ]
T-O-C N27°08.07' W080°16.15'	100	343	344	90 96	19 6	0+060+20		2319Z	1.5	105.0	100/001	MLB	[ ]
SMUGS N27°11.56' W080°17.55'	100	343	345	124	4	0+02	0+22	2321Z	0.3	104.7	060/003	MLB	[ ]
VRB VORTAC (VERO BEACH) 117.30 120X N27°40.71' W080°29.38'	100	345	347	124	31	0+15	0+37	2336Z [ ]	2.5	102.2	060/003	MLB
VALKA N27°55.10' W080°34.28'	100	347	349	124	15 15	0+07	0+44	2343Z	1.2	101.0	060/003	MLB
MLB VOR/DME (MELBOURNE) 110.00 037X N28°06.32' W080°38.12'	100	347	349	124 24	22 12	0+06	0+50	2349Z	0.9	100.1	060/003	MLB
INDIA N28°26.07' W080°45.92'	100	34 3	344	124	21	0+10	1+00	2359Z	1.7	98.4	060/003	MLB	[ ]
TICCO N28°31.01' W080°47.88'	100	346	347	124	5	0+03	1+02	0002Z	0.4	98.0	060/003	MLB	[ ]
MALET N28°41.50' W080°52.07'	100	346	347	124	11	0+05	1+08	00072	0.9	97.1	060/003	MLB	[ ]
FORNI N28°44.07' W080°53.08'	100	346	347	124	3 بيا	0+01	1+09	0008Z	0.2	96.9	060/003	MLB	[ ]
OAKIE N28°51.07' W080°55.87'	100	344	345	124	7	0+04	1+13	0012Z	0.6	96.3	060/003	MLB	[ ]
SMYRA N29°00.33' W080°59.58'	100	345	346	124	10 10	0+05	1+17	00172	0.8	95.5	060/003	MLB [ ]	[ ]
OMN VORTAC (ORMOND BEACH) 112.60 073X	100	345	346	124	119 19	0+09	1+26	0026Z	1.5	93.9	060/003	MLB
N29°18.20' W081°06.76'												[ ]
2919/08107 N29°19.20' W081°06.76'	100 100	360	1	123 23	1 -	0+00	1+27	0026Z	0.1	93.9	060/003	MLB	[ ]
COKES N29°33.30' W081°06.76'	100	360	359	124	14	0+07	1+34	0033Z	1.1	92.7	310/002	JAX [x]	[ ]
COBOK N29°48.51' W081°06.76'	100	360	359	124	15	0+07	1+41	0041Z	1.2< |/TD>	91.5	310/002	[x] JAX [ ]	[ ]
JETSO N29°54.53' W081°06.76'	100	3	2	124	16	0+03	1+44	0044Z	0.5	91.0	310/002	[x] JAX	[ ]
SUBER N30°27.41' W081°06.76'	100	3	2	124	33 33	0+16	2+00	0059Z	2.7	88.3	310/002	[x] JAX	[ ]
HOTAR N30°38.39' W081°06.76'	100	3	2	124 24	11	0+05	2+05	0105Z	0.9	87.5	310/002	JAX [ ]	[ ]
STARY N31°12.08' W081°08.68'	100	0	360	124	34	0+16	2+22	0121Z	2.7	84.7	310/002	[x] JAX	[ ]

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3115/08107 N31°14.90' W081°07.47'	100	25	24		124	3	0+01	2+23	0.2	84.5	310/002	JAX	[ ]	[ ]
TYBEE N31°50.28' W080°52.21'	100	24	24		123 23	38	0+18	2+41	0141Z	3.1	81.4	340/002	SAV	[ ]
RUBYS N32°08.72' W080°37.83'	100	37 40	37		124 24	22	0+11	2+52	0152Z	1.8	79.6	340/002	SAV [ ]	[ ]
3222/08027 N32°22.05' W080°27.36'	100	41	40		124	16	0+08	3+00	0159Z	1.3	78.4	340/002	SAV [ ]	[ ]
BASSO N32°32.93' W080°18.76'	100	38	40		123	13	0+06	3+06	0206Z	1.1	77.3	110/006	CHS	[ ]
HONAP N32°39.61' W080°13.46'	100	39	41		123	8	0+04	3+10	0210Z	0.7	76.6	110/006	CHS	[ ]
ROOFS N32°42.28' W080°11.35'	100	39	41		123	3	0+02	3+12	0211Z	0.3	76.4	110/006	CHS	[ ]
COTAK N32°45.35' W080°08.90'	100	39	41		123 23	4	0+02	3+14	0213Z	0.3	76.1	110/006	CHS	[ ]
CHS VORTAC (CHARLESTON) 113.50 082X N32°53.66' W080°02.27'	100	39	41		123	10	0+05	3+18	0218Z [ ]	0.8	75.3	110/006	CHS
GINNE N33°07.55' W079°58.37'	100	18	21		125 225	14	0+07	3+25	0225Z	1.1	74.1	110/006	CHS	[ ]
HERMN N33°11.21' W079°57.34'	001	☐81	21		125 22	+6 4	0+02	3+27	0227Z	0.3	73.8	110/006	CHS	[ ]
MUGSE N33°17.06 W079°55.69'	100	18	21		125		0+03	3+30	0229Z	0.5	73.4	110/006	CHS	[ ]
WESEL N33°26.92' W079°52.90'	100	18	21		125	10 10	0+05	3+35	0234Z	0.8	72.5	110/006	CHS	[ ]
3333/07951 N33°32.76' W079°51.24'	[100	19	22 22		125	9	0+03	3+38	0237Z	0.5	72.1	110/006	CHS	[ ]
FILLI N33°51.30' W079°45.95'	100	19	19		125	19	0+09	3+47	0246Z	1.5	70.5	000/000	FLO	[ ]
NUTAL N33°59.74' W079°43.53'	100	19	199		125	19 6	0+04	3+51	0250Z	0.7	69.8	000/000	FLO	[ ]
FLO VORTAC (FLORENCE) 115.20 099X	100	19	19 119		125	15	0+073+58		0258Z	1.2	68.7	000/000	FLO
N34°13.98' W079°39.43'
TROCK N34°28.83' W079°24.12'	100	43	43		125	19	0+09	4+07	0307Z	1.6	67.1	000/000	FLO	[ ]
ROWEL N34°41.70' W079°10.76'	100	46	46		125	17	0+08	4+16	0315Z	1.4	65.8	000/000	FLO
CEGAD N34°47.39' W079°04.81'	100	47	47		125	8 α	0+04	4+19	0319Z	0.6	65.2	000/000	FLO	[ ]
3456/07856 N34°55.74' W078°56.07'	100	47	47		125	11	0+05	4+24	0324Z	0.9	64.3	000/000	FLO	[ ]
FAY VOR/DME (FAYETTEVILLE) 108.80 025X N34°59.13' W078°52.50'	100	45	43		125	14	0+02	4+27	0326Z	0.4	63.9	310/003	RDU
HOKMU N35°11.11' W078°51.28'	100	19	8		123	12	0+064+32		0332Z	1.0	62.9	310/003	RDU	[ ]
DENIL N35°20.09' W078°50.35'	100	12	11		123	6	0+04	4+37	0336Z	0.7	62.2	310/003	RDU	[ ]

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LANHO N35°31.23' W078°49.20' ☐	100	13	12	123	[11	0+05	4+42	0342Z	0.9	61.3	310/003	RDU
GURBE N35°41.38' W078°48.14'	100	12	11	123	10 10	0+05	4+47	0347Z	0.8	60.5	310/003	RDU	[ ]
RDU VORTAC (RALEIGH/DURHAM) 117.20 119X N35°52.35' W078°47.00'	100	12	11	123	11	0+05	4+53	0352Z	0.9	59.6	310/003	RDU
WIPER N36°09.15' W078°31.53'	100	41	39	125	12 21	0+10	5+03	0402Z	1.7	57.9	310/003	RDU	[ ]
BEXGO N36°30.00' W078°12.13'	100	41	39	125 22	26 96	0+13	5+15	0415Z	2.1	55.8	310/003	RDU	[ ]
3641/07802 N36°41.18' W078°01.63'	100	45 55	44	125	14	0+07	5+22	0421Z	1.1	54.7	310/003	RDU	[ ]
LVL VORTAC (LAWRENCEVILLE) 112.90 076X N36°49.08' W077°54.18'	100	46 46	46	125	10 10	0+05	5+27	0426Z	0.8	53.9	000/000	RIC
BEPRE N36°52.13' W077°51.61'	100	42	42	125	4	0+02	5+28	0428Z	0.3	53.6	000/000	RIC	[ ]
MANGE N37°01.46' W077°43.72'	100	42	42	125	11	0+05	5+34	0433Z	0.9	52.7	000/000	RIC	[ ]
DALTO N37°09.18' W077°37.16'	100	42 12	42 12	125	19	0+04	5+38	0438Z	0.7	52.0	000/000	RIC	[ ]
MATOX N37°16.68' W077°30.77'	100	42	42	125	9	0+04	5+43	0442Z	0.7	51.2	000/000	RIC	[ ]
RIC VORTAC (RICHMOND) 114.10 088X N37°30.14' W077°19.22'	100	42 42	42	125	16	0+08	5+50	0450Z	1.3	49.9	000/000	RIC
SVILL N37°47.19' W077°01.95'	100 00	48 St	125	22 22	0+11	6+01	0500Z	1.7	48.2	000/000	RIC	[ ]	[ ]
ТАРРА N37°58.21' W076°50.68'	100	48 16	48	125	14	0+076+08		0507Z	1.1	47.0	000/000	RIC	[ ]
DUPEY N38°02.21' W076°45.11'	100	59	59	125	6	0+03	6+11	0510Z	0.5	46.6	000/000	RIC	[ ]
COLIN N38°05.99' W076°39.85'	100	59 59	59	125	9	0+03	6+13	0513Z	0.4	46.1	000/000	RIC	[ ]
PXT VORTAC (PATUXENT) 117.60 123X N38°17.27' W076°24.01'	100	59 59	59 59	125	12 17	0+08	6+21	0521Z [ ]	1.3	44.8	000/000	RIC
GOFER N38°25.13' W076°16.76'	100	46 46	46	125	10	0+056+26		0526Z	0.8	44.0	000/000	RIC	[ ]
CHURK N38°29.08' W076°13.10'	100	46	46	125	5	0+02	6+28	0528Z	0.4	43.6	000/000	EMI	[ ]
GARED N38°41.67' W076°01.37'	100	46	46	125	16	0+07	6+36	0535Z	1.2	42.4	000/000	EMI	[ ]
CHOPS N38°45.70' W075°57.60'	100	46 46	46	125 22	5	0+02	6+38	0538Z	0.4	42.0	000/000	EMI	[ ]
ORETE N38°50.54' W075°53.06'	100	46 46	46	125	64	0+03	6+41	0541Z	0.5	41.5	000/000	EMI	[ ]
HEDGE N38°53.53' W075°50.24'	100	47	47	125		0+02	6+43	0542Z	0.3	41.2	000/000	EMI

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RIDGY N38°56.58' W075°47.39'	100	46	46	125	4	0+02	6+45	0544Z	0.3	40.9	000/000	EMI	[ ]
3857/07547 N38°57.38' W075°46.63'	100	47 117	46	120	1	0+01	6+45	0545Z	0.1	40.8	359/006	ACY	[ ]
CANNY N39°03.66' W075°40.68'	100	117 47	46	120 20	8	0+04	6+49	0549Z	0.6	40.2	359/006	ACY	[ ]
ENO VORTAC (SMYRNA) 111.40 051X N39°13.90' W075°30.96'	100	47	46	120 10	13	0+06	6+55	0555Z	1.1	39.1	359/006	ACY [ ]
ZITTE N39°28.90' W075°23.08'	100	31	30 30	119	16	0+08	7+04	0603Z	1.4	37.7	359/006	ACY	[ ]
OOD VORTAC (WOODSTOWN) 112.80 075X N39°38.16' W075°18.18'	100	24 34	33 33	119	10	0+057+09		0608Z [ ]	0.8	36.9	359/006	ACY [ ]
RUUTH N39°51.02' W074°59.99'	100	57	55	121	19	0+09	7+18	0618Z	1.6	35.3	359/006	ACY	[ ]
MENGE N40°00.42' W074°57.85'	100	22	21	119	10	0+05	7+23	0622Z	0.8	34.5	359/006	ACY	[ ]
ARD VOR/DME (YARDLEY) 108.20 019X N40°15.20' W074°54.46'	100	22 22	221 21	119	15	0+08	7+30	0630Z	1.3	33.3	359/006	ACY [ ]
MERSR N40°18.61' W074°49.68'	100	59 57	55	121 221	5	0+02	7+33	0632Z	0.4	32.9	359/006	ACY	[ ]
T-O-D N40°21.66' W074°45.39'	100	59 59	55 55	121	14	0+02	7+35	0635Z	0.4	32.5	335/010	JFK	[ ]
METRO N40°25.36' W074°40.17'	87 57	59 59	55	126	5	0+03	7+38	0637Z	0.3	32.1	338/009	JFK	[ ]
LINER N40°30.08' W074°33.51'	71	09 60	57	129	7	0+03	7+41	0640Z	0.4	31.7	322/007	JFK	[ ]
DIRMY N40°33.80' W074°28.22'	59 59	60 60	57	132	5	0+02	7+43	0643Z	0.3	31.4	298/008	JFK	[ ]
TEB VOR/DME (TETERBORO) 108.40 021X N40°50.92' W074°03.73'	10	59 59	59	130	25	0+12	7+55	0655Z	1.6	29.8	(missing)	JFK
TEB AIRPORT TETERBORO N40°51.01' W074°03.65'	0	49 44	49	130 30	0	0+00	7+55	0655Z	0.0	29.8	(missing)	[x] JFK
TOTALS:					972	7+55	7+55	[ ]	80.2			[ ]	[ ]

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