Fwd: [Sadhu Sanga] Consciousness
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From: Brad Bartholomew <
Date: July 29, 2016 at 5:02:57 PM EDT
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Dear Vinod & Avtar
I could not agree more with both of you. Take for instance these gravitation waves. LIGO has made a subatomic measurement of a collapsed wave function of a multi particle system so the QM observation problem applies. In addition they have made a bald assumption that gravitation waves in 4-D spacetime travel at the speed of light. They can't even visualize waves in 4-D spacetime let alone know their velocity. In point of fact they can speak with zero certainty about these gravitation waves and yet the mainstream scientific media will continue to assert that gravitation waves have been discovered. Physicists actually know nothing about the fundamental workings of the universe and yet we are constantly bombarded with their claims that they know everything. The dark matter and the dark energy issue is another example of this.
Kind regards
Brad
On 28 Jul 2016 06:21, "'Asingh2384' via Sadhu-Sanga Under the holy association of Spd. B.M. Puri Maharaja, Ph.D." < > wrote:
Elaborating further to what Vinod is saying, information, thoughts and feelings represent biological experiences of consciousness and not the consciousness itself. A close but not exact analogy would be that a radio produces sounds of different frequencies not the music or lyrics that are generated by conscious beings - composer and lyricist. Biological brain is more like a radio (equipment) and not a composer or lyricist.
All quantum mechanics (QM) interpretations suffer from the fundamental "Observer Paradox" as to what/who the observer is. Using QM to explain the consciousness is a vicious circle, similar to explaining the elephant by its tail. QM cannot be a
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complete or consistent theory, in spite of its resounding successes in inanimate technological applications, until the consciousness of the observer is correctly explained outside of QM.
Similarly, quantum gravity is still an unresolved paradox and cannot be used to explain consciousness.
Let us not use a paradox to explain the other one.
Best Regards Avtar Singh, Sc.D. Alumni, MIT Author of "The Hidden Factor - An Approach for Resolving Paradoxes of Science, Cosmology, and Universal Reality"
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From: VINOD KUMAR SEHGAL<
To: Online Sadhu_Sanga<
Sent: Wed, Jul 27, 2016 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Sadhu Sanga] Consciousness
Dear Mr Vibhav Kapre,
There has been a growing trend in Western neuro science and metaphysics that consciousness and information thoughts) are synonym. As such, wherever, scientists look information ( thoughts), they misinterpret it as consciousness. As per Vedic Upnishadic philosophy, consciousness is that which ultimately perceives all information 9 thoughts) and, as such, different than consciousness. Secondly, it is due to consciousness that information (thoughts) are produces. As such, consciousness serves twin purposes :
i) It is due to it that information ( thoughts° are produced in unconscious brain and mind
ii) It ultimately perceives all information.
consciousness can't take birth either within or from out of microtubules in brain as some quantum stuff since consciousness assumes a unified whole status. A 'unified whole", unchanging, immutable entity can't emerge out from identities having distinct status. Further, micro tubulars in brain and resulting quantum gravity information per se are unconscious. How can they give birth to consciousness.
Regards
Vinod Sehgal
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Vaibhav Kapre < > wrote:
Pl refer this artical...and reply is it true.........
American Dr Stuart Hameroff and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose developed a quantum theory of consciousness asserting that our souls are contained inside structures called microtubules which live within our brain cells. Their idea stems from the notion of the brain as a biological computer, "with 100 billion neurons and their axonal firings and synaptic connections acting as information networks". Dr Hameroff, Professor Emeritus at the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology and Director of the Centre of Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona, and Sir Roger have been working on the theory since 1996. They argue that our experience of consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects inside these microtubules - a process they call orchestrated objective reduction (Orch-OR). In a near-death experience the microtubules lose their quantum state, but the information within them is not destroyed. Or in layman's terms, the soul does not die but returns to the universe. Dr Hameroff explained the theory at length in the Morgan Freeman-narrated documentary Through the Wormhole, which was recently aired in the US by the Science Channel. The quantum soul theory is now trending worldwide, thanks to stories published this week by The Huffington Post and the Daily Mail, which have generated thousands of readers comments and social media shares. "Let's say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing, the microtubules lose their quantum state," Dr Hameroff said. "The quantum information within the microtubules is not destroyed, it can't be destroyed, it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large.
'If the patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules and the patient says "I had a near death experience".'
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In the event of the patient's death, it was "possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body indefinitely - as a soul".
Dr Hameroff believes new findings about the role quantum physics plays in biological processes, such as the navigation of birds, adds weight to the theory.
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 2:36 AM, JosephRouse3 < > wrote:
Srik,
» KSR asked: I would like to know , if possible , has DNA any role in sustaining consciousness ?
Dear Prof KSR, Mr Vinod and others, I believe that the DNA and brain are part of the transduction machinery essential to express the nonphysical self s consciousness on the physical plane. Pre-natal initial conditions ("karma") employ epigenetics to fine-tune this expression. Thanks and regards, Srik
Please pay attention here folks. This person actually knows what she/he is taking about. A mind is a psychic pattern through which you interpret and form reality. You have a physical brain you can see. You have a mind that is invisible. The brain's genius comes from the mind, which can be called the brain's biophysical counterpart. The brain communicates via transduction with the non-physical mind. You experience yourself -topside : )
The brain structure is plastic, and is determined by DNA. What determines the activation of the various DNA codes, depends on the beliefs and desires of the individual. (as I see it)
The brain is an event forming psycho-mechanism through which consciousness operates. Its propensity for event-forming is obvious even in young children. By obvious, I mean active, when fantasies in the mind occur, involving activities far beyond the physical abilities as they are thus far developed, such as walking.
Children's dreams, which occur in the mind, are more intense than those of adults because the brain is practicing its event-forming activities.
Joe
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