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Dear Professor Krauss,
We met briefly after your talk in Ithaca a few months ago — I'm the girl on The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe podcast. I've really enjoyed your talks and books, but I was surprised to see you quoted in the Daily Beast recently defending Jeffrey Epstein: http://www.thedailybeast.corniblogs-and-stories/2011-04-01/bill-clinton-katie-couric-woody- allen-jeffreyspsteins-society-friends-close-ranks/2/
Can you confirm if the following quote is accurate?
"If anything, the unfortunate period he suffered has caused him to really think about what he wants to do with his money and his time, and support knowledge," says Krauss. "Jeffrey has surrounded himself with beautiful women and young women but they're not as young as the ones that were claimed. As a scientist I always judge things on empirical evidence and he always has women ages 19 to 23 around him, but I've never seen anything else, so as a scientist, my presumption is that whatever the problems were I would believe him over other people." Though colleagues have criticized him over his relationship with Epstein, Krauss insists, "I don't feel tarnished in any way by my relationship with Jeffrey; I feel raised by it."
Thanks,
Rebecca Watson
Lawrence M. Krauss
Foundation Professor
Director, The ASU Origins Project
Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative
Assoc. Dir, Beyond Center
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
School of Earth and Space Exploration
PO Box 871404 Tempe AZ 85287-1404
http://krauss.faculty.asu.edu
Exec. Asst (Jessica):
Origins Asst (Cynthi0
Lawrence M. Krauss
Foundation Professor
Director, The ASU Origins Project
Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative
Assoc. Dir, Beyond Center
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
School of Earth and Space Exploration
PO Box 871404 J Tempe AZ 85287-1404
http://krauss.faculty.asu.edu
Exec. Asst (Jessica):
Origins Asst (Cynthial
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Lawrence M. Krauss
Foundation Professor
Director, The ASU Origins Project
Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative
Assoc. Dir, Beyond Center
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
School of Earth and Space Exploration
PO Box 871404 Tempe AZ 85287-1404
http://krauss.faculty.asu.edu
Exec. Asst (Jessica):
Origins Asst (Cynthia
Lawrence M. Krauss
Foundation Professor
Director, The ASU Origins Project
Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative
Assoc. Dir, Beyond Center
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
School of Earth and Space Exploration
PO Box 871404 | Tempe AZ 85287-1404
Exec. Asst (Jessica):
Origins Asst (Cynthi
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Lawrence M. Krauss
Foundation Professor
Director, The ASU Origins Project
Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative
Assoc. Dir, Beyond Center
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
School of Earth and Space Exploration
PO Box 871404 I Tempe AZ 85287-1404
http://krauss.faculty.asu.edu
Exec. Asst (Jessica): |
Origins Asst (Cynthia
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Thanks for getting back to me. I was asking because I found the quote shocking ... the evidence against Epstein is overwhelming and he's even pled guilty to paying for sex with a minor. It's in no way scientific or rational to assume that because you never saw him with an underage girl he must actually be innocent. It is possible for a person to be kind and generous with his friends but still a criminal paying for sex with underage girls in his private life.
I'm going to write about the topic on Skepchick, and I'll include any additional statement you'd like if you want to provide more context or if you've changed your mind.
-R
Okay, thanks for this statement ... I'll print it in full along with the article, probably today. I very, very strongly disagree with your position and hope you eventually reconsider, but I do appreciate you taking the time to respond.
-R
Okay, will do.
yes it is.. Based on my direct experience with Jeffrey, which is all I can base my assessment on, he is a thoughtful, kind, considerate man who is generous to his friends, and all of the women I have known who have been associated with Jeffrey speak glowingly in the same words..
why are you asking?
Jeffrey apparently paid for massages with sex... I believe him when he told me he had no idea the girls were underage, and I doubt that people normally are asked for or present a driver's license under such circumstances... Moreover, I also believe that Jeffrey is an easy target for those who want to take advantage of him... Moreover, I can say with great honesty that Jeffrey's time in prison led him to seriously examine his life in very positive ways and I don't believe in blanket condemnations of people. He served time for something that was determined was inappropriate. I honestly don't know who was the victim in this case. I fully expect that these masseuses knew what they were doing, and were not swayed to do anything with Jeffrey that they were not already doing. That is not to approve of the whole behavior, but lots of peopleI know and like have behavior I don't entirely approve of.. I know it is not politically correct to say that, because in general this is a very sensitive issue and all other things being equal one should take the side of the young women. But all things are not equal in this case, from my point of view. It is a judgement call, and I will not turn my back on a good friend so easily.
ok.. I just sent an additional email which moderates this.. everyone was a victim, including Jeffrey here.. and there was no happy resolution.. please add.. "probably everyone was a victim, with no
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happy resolution or consequences of these activities", after "was the victim in this case.".
no it was appreciated. thanks
what evidence? no real sex.. where is she getting her so called facts
people are now throwing out my books, according to her blog.. more nonsense..
On Apr 6, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Jeffrey Epstein wrote:
what evidence? no real sex.. where is she getting her so called facts
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Lawrence Krauss < > wrote: Beyond anything else, you are my friend. I hope we can both always remember that, no matter what.
Are you coming this weekend at all?
Lawrence Krauss
Foundation Professor
School of Earth and Space Exploration and Physics Dept.
Co-director, Cosmology Initiative
and Director, Origins initiative
Arizona State University
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 6, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Jeffrey Epstein jeevacation@gmail.com wrote:
no it was appreciated. thanks
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Lawrence Krauss <[REDACTED]> wrote:
just so you know.. you can read from bottom up.. you may be mad that I was blunt... haven't heard from you.. hope all is well..
Begin forwarded message:
From: Rebecca Watson <[REDACTED]>
Date: April 6, 2011 10:28:36 AM MST
To: Lawrence Krauss <[REDACTED]>
Subject: Re: Statement in the Daily Beast?
Okay, will do.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Lawrence Krauss <[REDACTED]> wrote:
ok.. I just sent an additional email which moderates this.. everyone was a victim, including Jeffrey here.. and there was no happy resolution.. please add.. "probably everyone was a victim, with no
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happy resolution or consequences of these activities", after "was the victim in this case.".
On Apr 6, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Rebecca Watson wrote:
Okay, thanks for this statement ... I'll print it in full along with the article, probably today. I very, very strongly disagree with your position and hope you eventually reconsider, but I do appreciate you taking the time to respond.
-R
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Lawrence Krauss < > wrote: Jeffrey apparently paid for massages with sex... I believe him when he told me he had no idea the girls were underage, and I doubt that people normally are asked for or present a driver's license under such circumstances... Moreover, I also believe that Jeffrey is an easy target for those who want to take advantage of him... Moreover, I can say with great honesty that Jeffrey's time in prison led him to seriously examine his life in very positive ways and I don't believe in blanket condemnations of people. He served time for something that was determined was inappropriate. I honestly don't know who was the victim in this case. I fully expect that these masseuses knew what they were doing, and were not swayed to do anything with Jeffrey that they were not already doing. That is not to approve of the whole behavior, but lots of peopleI know and like have behavior I don't entirely approve of.. I know it is not politically correct to say that, because in general this is a very sensitive issue and all other things being equal one should take the side of the young women. But all things are not equal in this case, from my point of view. It is a judgement call, and I will not turn my back on a good friend so easily.
On Apr 6, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Rebecca Watson wrote:
Thanks for getting back to me. I was asking because I found the quote shocking ... the evidence against Epstein is overwhelming and he's even pled guilty to paying for sex with a minor. It's in no way scientific or rational to assume that because you never saw him with an underage girl he must actually be innocent. It is possible for a person to be kind and generous with his friends but still a criminal paying for sex with underage girls in his private life.
I'm going to write about the topic on Skepchick, and I'll include any additional statement you'd like if you want to provide more context or if you've changed your mind.
-R
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Lawrence Krauss c > wrote: yes it is.. Based on my direct experience with Jeffrey, which is all I can base my assessment on, he is a thoughtful, kind, considerate man who is generous to his friends, and all of the women I have known who have been associated with Jeffrey speak glowingly in the same words..
why are you asking?
On Apr 6, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Rebecca Watson wrote:
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Dear Professor Krauss,
We met briefly after your talk in Ithaca a few months ago — I'm the girl on The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe podcast. I've really enjoyed your talks and books, but I was surprised to see you quoted in the Daily Beast recently defending Jeffrey Epstein: http://www.thedailybeast.corniblogs-and-stories/2011-04-01/bill-clinton-katie-couric-woody- allen-jeffreyspsteins-society-friends-close-ranks/2/
Can you confirm if the following quote is accurate?
"If anything, the unfortunate period he suffered has caused him to really think about what he wants to do with his money and his time, and support knowledge," says Krauss. "Jeffrey has surrounded himself with beautiful women and young women but they're not as young as the ones that were claimed. As a scientist I always judge things on empirical evidence and he always has women ages 19 to 23 around him, but I've never seen anything else, so as a scientist, my presumption is that whatever the problems were I would believe him over other people." Though colleagues have criticized him over his relationship with Epstein, Krauss insists, "I don't feel tarnished in any way by my relationship with Jeffrey; I feel raised by it."
Thanks,
Rebecca Watson
Lawrence M. Krauss
Foundation Professor
Director, The ASU Origins Project
Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative
Assoc. Dir, Beyond Center
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
School of Earth and Space Exploration
PO Box 871404 Tempe AZ 85287-1404
http://krauss.faculty.asu.edu
Exec. Asst (Jessica):
Origins Asst (Cynthi0
Lawrence M. Krauss
Foundation Professor
Director, The ASU Origins Project
Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative
Assoc. Dir, Beyond Center
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
School of Earth and Space Exploration
PO Box 871404 J Tempe AZ 85287-1404
http://krauss.faculty.asu.edu
Exec. Asst (Jessica):
Origins Asst (Cynthial
EFTA00628942
Lawrence M. Krauss
Foundation Professor
Director, The ASU Origins Project
Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative
Assoc. Dir, Beyond Center
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
School of Earth and Space Exploration
PO Box 871404 Tempe AZ 85287-1404
http://krauss.faculty.asu.edu
Exec. Asst (Jessica):
Origins Asst (Cynthia
Lawrence M. Krauss
Foundation Professor
Director, The ASU Origins Project
Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative
Assoc. Dir, Beyond Center
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
School of Earth and Space Exploration
PO Box 871404 | Tempe AZ 85287-1404
Exec. Asst (Jessica):
Origins Asst (Cynthi
The information contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of Jeffrey Epstein
Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by e-mail to jeevacation@gmail.com, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. copyright -all rights reserved
EFTA00628943
The information contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of Jeffrey Epstein
Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by e-mail to jeevacation@gmail.com, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. copyright -all rights reserved
Lawrence M. Krauss
Foundation Professor
Director, The ASU Origins Project
Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative
Assoc. Dir, Beyond Center
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
School of Earth and Space Exploration
PO Box 871404 I Tempe AZ 85287-1404
http://krauss.faculty.asu.edu
Exec. Asst (Jessica): |
Origins Asst (Cynthia
EFTA00628944
just so you know.. you can read from bottom up.. you may be mad that I was blunt... haven't heard from you.. hope all is well..
Beyond anything else, you are my friend. I hope we can both always remember that, no matter what.
Are you coming this weekend at all?
Lawrence Krauss
Foundation Professor
School of Earth and Space Exploration and Physics Dept.
Co-director, Cosmology Initiative
and Director, Origins initiative
Arizona State University
Sent from my iPhone