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Joscha Bach Feb 14, 2013 3:42 PM
To
Stephen M. Kosslyn

Dear Stephen,

thank you for your so far unending patience in that discussion. -->

=http://www.xkcd.com/386/

That's a terrific website!

» I agree, and yet only a subset of animals can use symbols for =ommunication.

» communication and intelligence are not the same thing (think about

» =ees etc)

» Of these, only a small subset can make use of negation, conjunctions =nd disjunctions in symbolic communication (for instance, Irene =epperberg's famous grey parrots). It appears that only humans can learn =ich grammatical language, and I suspect that this is the primary =nabler of our superior problem solving capabilities.

» I disagree. Einstein claimed that his greatest discoveries came from =ental imagery, and he later converted those thoughts to verbal =xpressions only with great difficulty. I think Al has vastly =nderestimated the role of "mental simulation/emulation" in thinking and =easoning.

Nonverbal thinking is primary, and is poorly understood, and it has

=een neglected by what we now often call "classic Al". (But if we look

=t the original ideas, that was probably not intentional. Logic based

=ystems were low hanging fruit. Once you have a paradigm and a

=ommunity, you end up with a methodology that is bound to stay,

=nfortunately.)

S
S.M. Kosslyn Feb 15, 2013 4:24 AM
To
Joscha Bach
Cc
Jeffrey Epstein

Hi J..

Some responses and reflections below...

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Stephen M. Kosslyn

Director, Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences Stanford University
75 Alta Road
Stanford, CA 94305
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