Re: Advice re Title IX investigation.
Professor Krauss,
Thank you for reaching out. I read The Physics of Star Trek when it came out and have never forgotten, among other things, your unfortunately depressing analysis that so much data would be involved in transporter technology that it would never be possible. (If memory serves, you talked about how many books it would take to contain the data and analyzed it in terms of trips to the moon and back.) I am very sorry to hear about what you've been going through but would be happy to speak with you about how we might be able to help; I actually have a case going at ASU right now, and I represent, at another school, another professor who has been similarly pilloried in an unfortunately high-profile manner. I will be tied up on calls tonight but am generally available tomorrow, so please let me know what would work for you.
Thanks, and have a good night.
Justin
Justin Dillon
KaiserDillon PLLC
1401 K Street NW
Suite 600
Washington, DC 20005
Hello. I am a Professor at Arizona State University, and also director of its Origins Project. In addition, I am relatively well known to the public. I write NYT bestselling books, appear on television and films, write for the NYT and New Yorker etc. I am also one of the more well known atheist and skeptic speakers around the world. That celebrity status has made me a target of numerous online defamation campaigns in the past.
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You choose to live in Oregon instead of Arizona. You’re even smarter than I thought. Would you be able to talk later tonight, say at 6:45 your time? I’ve had a few things come up today that I need to deal with during daylight hours. If that works, I will call you on your cell then.
Thanks,
Justin
Justin Dillon
KaiserDillon PLLC
1401 K Street NW
Suite 600
Washington, DC 20005
In that case, why don't we talk a little earlier? I can move some things around.
How about 2 o'clock your time?
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly! Sorry it has taken me awhile to reply. Your note lifted what was a bad day. How could I not want to talk to a lawyer who read the Physics of Star Trek! In any case, my cell phone ████████ and as I am on paid vacation from ASU my schedule is relatively flexible. :) I actually live in Oregon and commute to ASU, so am on pacific time.
I look forward to talking to you.
Lawrence
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HI. great talking today. Whatever happens, I really like you. :)
anyway, address is
17575 Blue Heron CT,
Lake Oswego, OR 97034
really matter of course as some company mail comes here as well.. I may pay you out of that company if it goes ahead, but you can advise on
that as well..
Thanks again for the great conversation, and the generous time you devoted to
it. Made me feel much better.
Lawrence
Lawrence M. Krauss
Director, The Origins Project at ASU
Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative
Foundation Professor
School of Earth & Space Exploration and Physics Department
origins.asu.edu
Ditto! It would've been nice if I could've met you at a book signing 23 years ago, rather than under these circumstances, but so be it. We will get engagement agreement out to you first thing tomorrow morning.
Hi Justin. I have a slightly unusual request. I have been advised through much of the BuzzFeed experience, both before and after, by a friend, who is also somewhat infamous. His name is Jeffrey Epstein, and you may know who he is already. Bottom line is that Jeffrey is not only friends with most of the famous people from finance, to business, to Hollywood, who have either been brought down during #metoo and he also speaks regularly with people ranging from the awful white house people, who he is friends with, to ken starr etc. He is concerned about exactly how we play this, as he thinks because of the variety and number of different things being discussed in the media and online, that this will be considered beyond title IX. I should say that all indications I have thus far do not suggest this. But anyway, Jeffrey would like to speak with you, as he has concerns about my having counsel who directly represent me in interactions with the University at this time vs having someone to act as an advisor and draft letters that I can send... I will pay for your time to do that if necessary. Would you be willing to do this in the next day or so? Please let me know, and I can get you contact info. Thanks.
Lawrence
Lawrence M. Krauss
Director, The Origins Project at ASU
Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative
Foundation Professor
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probably for the best.. you might have become a physicist then, and your net income would be much lower. :)
Hi Lawrence. I know who he is, and I am willing to have a short conversation with him. Please tell him he can give me a call this weekend.
Thanks,
Justin
Justin Dillon
KaiserDillon PLLC
1401 K Street NW
Suite 600
Washington, DC 20005
You are getting terrible advice from smart people who have never done this work and have no idea what they're talking about. I understand where they're coming from, but it is just bad advice, full stop. I could give you dozens of examples where the only reason my clients got off--and we get a lot off--was because we fought hard to make the process fair. Moreover, no one will take seriously the constitutional law arguments of a physicist, no matter how famous he is. You need a lawyer to make those.
I don't mean to be rude, but I have to be somewhat jealous with my time so I can focus on the cases in which people have decided to hire me. We spent a lot of time on the phone yesterday, which I was very happy to do, and I am willing to do a short call with Jeffrey, but I can't keep emailing about this. I have a limited amount of time, and I have to make sure that I am spending it as much as possible on my current clients. I assure you that if you hire me and someone else wants to keep talking about their case while they're deciding, I will tell them the same thing--that they have enough information to make a decision and just need to decide.
Tell Jeffrey we may have to play phone tag, since my weekend schedule is a little up in the air. So he will need to leave me his number. I think 11a.m. Eastern should work as a start if it works for him.
number to call at 11 am on sat is [redacted phone]
what number should he call you on? And a good time? BTW when he calls, it says no caller ID on the phone.. (or I could give you his office number) I received similar advice this morning from a former trial lawyer who was also on the board of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists with me.. He was the one who yesterday urged me to seek legal advice, but today he called to say I should get advice and assistance, but from his experience bringing a lawyer to represent me to these offices is a killer.. that indicating that I am not guilty and am willing to work with the offices (with advice and assistance from a good lawyer in the background) is better.
So, I wanted to know your thoughts about this. I assume we could still do a retainer etc and have you assist in every way, including investigation etc.. Thoughts? Sorry to take so much of your time, but this is obviously important to me and I want to handle it very carefully.
And once again, I am happy to pay for your time responding to this email if you want, and talking to Jeffrey, if you want.
Lawrence
Thanks, Lawrence. I appreciate that. And truly, whether you hire me or someone else, you just have to ignore the advice of people who tell you to "play ball" and not have a lawyer surface. Many things are debatable in the Title IX world; this is not one of them, I promise you—especially given the somewhat complex constitutional issues at play in your case.
And I am a man of my word, so I will call Jeffrey as planned at 11 on Saturday unless you insist otherwise. I understand that this is an extremely stressful time, that you're getting a lot of advice from many different quarters, and that having someone you trust talk to the person you're thinking of hiring can be very important.
Justin
Justin Dillon
KaiserDillon PLLC
1401 K Street NW
Suite 600
Washington, DC 20005
I have thought about this.. I don't want you to have to take more of your time talking to him.. Sorry to have asked.. It wasn't really fair. You have spent enough time on this. I am going to assess this all and make a decision in the coming days. I do appreciate all your advice thus far, and I am prepared to move forward at this moment, but want to think about it carefully before committing.
LMK
Every email is to do with engagement/money etc. in the future please do not disclose our conversations or who I speak with.
I wrote him to forget calling you. I don't see it as necessary. Thoughts?
Absolutely.
Lawrence M. Krauss
Director, The Origins Project at ASU
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