mean this is coming from a Nobel laureate who discovered a particle, you know. So I ended up where I began, which is non-dualism, that there is only consciousness.
Matt: Isn’t that idealism? Deepak: Idealism comes out of non-dualism.
Matt: So there are two types of monism [non-dualism]. There’s materialism and then there is idealism. [Each holds that] there’s only matter or there’s only consciousness.
Deepak: Okay then we can say idealism is closest to non-duality. They don’t use that word in the East. Let’s go for lunch. [We head downstairs. ]
Deepak: With idealism one usually relates to Plato in the West or to Bishop Berkeley and all those guys, you know. But basically, what idealism espouses, it’s mental. But non- dualism says even mental is a construct. When you say mental you have words. As soon as you have a word for an experience it’s no longer fundamental.
Matt: Non-dualism is a construct too. Deepak: If I have to use words, yes. Matt: There’s no getting away from constructs.
Deepak: No, there is a way of getting away from constructs. It’s called transcendence. Shut up and just be.
Matt: We never stop filtering experience—
Deepak: Every experience is filtered through given constructs. There is no getting away from it. But then we start looking at consciousness—let’s find our table. [We find our table. ]
Deepak Chopra MD
Chopra Foundation Jiyo Chopra Center for Wellbeing
www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com
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