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HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_021945

House Oversight Committee
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Q. As a prosecutor, did you ever in a

prosecution against one person successfully introduce

into evidence that somebody else had taken the Fifth?

MR. SCAROLA: In a criminal case?

MR. SIMPSON: In a criminal case, yeah.

THE WITNESS: So I had about 20 trials, most of them I was in the general crimes units in the eastern district of Virginia. Most of them involved drug dealers and gun runners that did not -- where those issues didn't come up.

So as sitting here today, I can't recall a circumstance where in that criminal case I was able to do that. The standards for using it in a Civil case would be much, much broader.

MR. SIMPSON: Move to strike nonresponsive

portion of the answer.

BY MR. SIMPSON:

Q. Have you been involved in a civil case in

which you have successfully introduced into evidence the fact that Person A took the Fifth Amendment as evidence

against Person B?

A. I haven't been involved in many civil cases

involving invocations of the Fifth Amendment so I can't

recall a circumstance like that right now.

Q. And is the 11th Circuit case you're referring

ROUGH DRAFT ONLY

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