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work hours or after work hours?
A. Both.
Q. Did you always meet with them in your office or did you do it more socially down at Bova or elsewhere?
A. Both.
Q. But with this particular case, do you recall meeting them at least one time in your office where they could look through the files?
A. Actually, that group of investors were looking at a Jot of different cases or at least multiple different cases that we were attempting to lure them into the Ponzi scheme utilizing, so ] met with them on multiple occasions, both in my office and at restaurants.
Q. Who is Mike Fisten?
A. Mike Fisten was a law enforcement officer of some type that ] hired.
Q. Why did you hire him?
A. He was a Ken Jenne suggestion.
Q. And were you hiring him to start up your company with Mr. Jenne, as you indicated earlier?
A. 1] don't recall] what the purpose of hiring him was. It had nothing to do with what Ken Jenne was doing for us.
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Q. So what did he do at RRA?
A. My best recollection is that he had been a former ADT officer and so it would reason that he would be working in our alcohol beverage practice that
Q. Do you know if he ever did any work for your firm as an investigator?
A. He may have. | don't have a specific recollection one way or the other.
Q. Did you ever speak to the press about the Epstein case?
A. 1] don't have a recollection one way or the other.
Q. Did you ever have Kip utilize the Epstein case to put any publicity or spin out there with respect to the case?
A. I don't have a specific recollection of that one way or the other.
Q. Did you ever instruct Brad or Russ to talk to the press about the case? We'll start with Brad then Russ.
A. 1 do not specifically recal] getting involved at the publicity level of that case. I don't have a recollection one way or the other.
Q. Would that publicity have been good for your
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Ponzi scheme investors?
A. Not really.
Q. Would it have given more legitimacy to your allegation that it was a good case in which they should invest?
A. Inthe way that I was selling the Ponzi settlements, it would have likely been overkill.
Q. So did you ever instruct them not to speak to the press about the case?
A. | don't recall that either one way or the other.
Q. Ifit had gotten out there that the cases had not, in fact, settled, as you were claiming when you were selling the settlement, would that have hindered your case, your Ponzi investor's case?
A. Not really because they would have no way of knowing if] had created a fake plaintiffs name. | mean, there could have been something in the news that -- and ] don't know that there was -- there could have been something in the news that says none of this settled. And] just simply would have created a fake name with my co-conspirators, created a fake set of settlement documents and handle it that way.
Q. Did you know where Mr. Epstein lived?
A. J] only knew that he was from Palm Beach,
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other than that, no. Q. Okay. In 2009, did you ever have any firm meetings?
A. Of any type?
Q. Of any type, in general, firm meetings. A. I'm certain J did.
Q. Do you recal] about how many?
A. 1 donot recall.
Q. Did you ever have any partner meetings? A. Yes.
Q. Do you recall how many?
A. I donot.
Q.
Do you recall] how many partners you had at the firm in 2009?
A. I donot.
Q. Do you recall how many fundraisers you had at your home in 2009?
A. I donot.
Q. More than 10?
A. I'd be guessing, Tonja.
Q. Okay.
A. It's easy enough to check, there's state and
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