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know, law enforcement agencies in those countries, you
know, in England, or law enforcement agencies in this country, through -- through power that, you know, somebody at that level, fifth I think in line to the
British Throne, would have, you know, presumably access
to levers of power that other people might not -- might not have. And so that is the -- I believe is the -- the
information that I had available to me on December 30th
involving not just Virginia Roberts, but the entire sex trafficking organization.
Q. Okay. And that -- just to clarify again, it exhausts your refreshed recollection as to both the information you were relying on as to the allegations about Virginia Roberts, and as to the allegations about other minors; is that right?
A. Correct.
Q. So I don't have to ask you separately about Roberts?
A. That's right. No, and I gave you a heads-up, that was going to be a long answer.
Q. You made Mr. Dershowitz look like an amateur.
If I could -- MR. SCAROLA: I'm sorry. Like a what? MR. SIMPSON: Amateur, at the Jong answers. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 118 THE WITNESS: Well, I wasn't trying to -- let me be clear. I want the record to be clear: I was not trying to filibuster. You asked me a very direct question which was: I want to know everything that was in your memory on December 30th, and as you can tell, this was a very important subject to me, and it's very important to Miss Roberts, and I wanted to be comprehensive. And I gave you the opportunity to say, let's -- let's have a narrower question, and -- but you wanted the broad question and that's why I did this, so I wasn't... BY MR. SIMPSON:
Q. Mr. Cassell, I apologize for attempting humor in this intense situation.
A. This is very important to me.
Q. I--I--I--
A. This is not -- this is not something that I find funny.
Q. And -- well, it -- like I say, it's very important to Mr. Dershowitz, or Professor Dershowitz also. He was trying to answer questions. I'm not questioning that you were trying to answer my question, and I appreciate it.
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4119 Mr. Dershowitz was trying to do the same
thing and it is a difficult situation.
A. Q.
All right. So I was not trying to make light of the
questions I'm asking you.
A. Q. A. Q.
Right. This involves sexual abuse --
I understand that.
~~ of multiple girls.
I understand that. Your -- I understand the
allegations that have been made.
A.
And your side keeps attacking these girls.
That's why it's emotional for me.
Q.
That -- that part is not true, but I will ask
questions --
A.
I believe that part is true.
THE WITNESS: I would like to take a break.
I'm sorry.
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the video
record, 4:01 p.m.
(Thereupon, a recess was taken.)
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the video
record, 4:04 p.m.
(Thereupon, Kenneth A. Sweder, Esquire, Alan
M. Dershowitz and Carolyn Cohen left the
proceedings.)
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420 MR, SCAROLA: The record should reflect that
Mr. and Mrs. Dershowitz have -- are no longer
present,
MR. SIMPSON: Correct. MR. SCAROLA: Thank you.
BY MR. SIMPSON:
Q.
Mr. Cassell, would you agree with me that
accusing someone --
MS. McCAWLEY: Oh, I'm sorry. I just
realized that she stepped out to get water, I
believe. I didn't ask. I'm sure it's
probably okay --
THE WITNESS: MR. SCAROLA: MR. SIMPSON: THE WITNESS:
It's all right.
It's all right.
That's okay with you? Sure.
BY MR. SIMPSON:
Q,
Would you agree with me that accusing a
person of -- an adult of engaging in sex with a minor is
a serious accusation?
A. Q.
Sure, And would you agree with me that the cause of
Victims' Rights is harmed and not furthered by false
allegations of sexual abuse?
A.
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