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identified Alan Dershowitz as someone who had 020923 1 information relevant -- and let's be clear, that o20825 2 this is not a lawsuit about some contract dispute 020928 3 or something -- that he was someone who had 20323 4 information relevant to the sexual abuse of o20c30 5 underage girls and, indeed, they were asking o20832 § questions about what information -- what o20934 7 information he might have. o2038 8
Another -- I know, I remember now, there's a ozoo28 9 whole other line of things that -- that I had in ozoaar 10 mind at the time, and I think since you want to o2zos43 11 test my memory -- I'm not -- let me be clear. orooas 12 I'm not claiming I have a superb memory. I have ozosaa 13 an average memory, but this is a subject that's 020052 14 very important to me, and so I've worked, you ozossa 15 know, very hard to get all the information. ozoes7 16
1 would like to take a break. ozoess 17
MR, SCAROLA: Sure. Take a break. ozi001 18
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the video | oz100 19 record, 3:27 p.m. o21007 20
(Thereupon, a recess was taken.) o210:11 21
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back onthe video | oz1014 22 record, 3:41 p.m. oztors 23
THE WITNESS: I want to continue my answer. ozto21 24 I'm sorry. I got emotional there for a moment. oz1023 25
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I want to do a good job for Virginia Roberts o210.27 1 on -- on representing all the -- the evidence o2t028 2 that is available to support her. ozt031 8
The next thing that I was thinking of was, oz1o3s | 4 all right, then the question is: Well, what does ozto38 5 Mr. Dershowitz have to say about all this? So I ozt01 « & started to look at the information on that as o2toas | 7 well. oie | 8
In 2009, there had been a deposition request oz1048 | 9 sent to Mr. Dershowitz, and I -- I saw a document e2z1050 10 showing that that had actually been served on -- oztoss 11 on him, and, you know, to the extent that what I o2zto 42 saw was a -- I think a receipt from the process o2t101 13 server, or something along those lines, so I saw o2z1108 14 attempt to contact him in -- in 2009. ozii07 15
And then I saw an additional attempt to oz 16 contact him in 2011. Mr. Scarola had sent him a oz11ts 17 note and there was, you know, some back and oz 18 forth. The -- the one note that -- that jumped ori 19 out to me was one in which Mr. Scarola had o2tr21 20 written to Mr. Dershowitz, I think the phrase ozi121 24 was: Multiple witnesses have placed you in the ozt123 22 presence of Jeffrey Epstein and underage girls; I ori126 23 would like to depose you about those subjects. o2ti2s 24
And the answer that came back was not, well, 021131 25
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103 let me clear all of that misunderstanding up. You know, that's -- frankly, if I had gotten something like that, that's what I would have said.
The answer that came back was -- from Mr. Dershowitz was something along the lines of, if I remember correctly, well, tell me what you -- you -- tell me what you want to know and I'll decide whether to cooperate, was I think the phrase that was used. And -- and so there was an attempt, you know, a 2009 attempt, a 2011 attempt to get information from Mr. Dershowitz.
Then there was another subpoena without deposition for -- for documents. You know, we have heard a lot about records in this case that could prove innocence. There was a records request to Mr. Dershowitz in 2013. And, again, my understanding was that there was no -- you know, no documents were provided on that.
And so those -- I had that information. Another bit of information that I had was that in 2011, I believe in early April -- this is not attorney/client privileged information from Virginia Roberts. This is a telephone call that she placed from Australia where she had been
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And in that telephone call she identified Alan Dershowitz as someone who would have relevant information about Jeffrey Epstein and the sexual abuse of underage girls.
And so I had that information as well. So that, as I understand, the question was: What could I recall off the top of my head with regard to the factual basis for information connecting Mr. Dershowitz with the sexual abuse of minor girls, plural, and that, sitting here at this moment, is the best that I can recall for the information along those lines.
BY MR. SIMPSON: Q. Was that answer --
MR. SCAROLA: Excuse me. Before -~ before you go on to another subject, Professor Cassell is entitled to refresh his recollection to give you a complete response. So why don't you go ahead and do that now. Make sure you've covered
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