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69 other powerful persons. For example, Ghislaine Maxwell is there with him on all of these flights and apparently being involved in the abuse.
Indeed -- and so you -~ you have -- you have that. You also start to see on the flight logs, what to my mind are some very sinister things, suggesting that the pattern is not just confined to sort of, you know, the girls that are there in Florida, but it -- it is extending more broadly.
Like one of the -- to my mind, sinister and scary things on the flight logs is, we see, you know, Virginia Roberts, who we know has been sexually abused, and we see Jeffrey Epstein, and then we see on the flight logs one female.
That's kind of an odd notation for a flight log because, you know, typically, I understand the flight logs, the purpose is, well, if something happens with the flight, or there's some question about who was on it, you want to know who -- who the person was who was on the flight.
So, to my mind, when I started to see on these flight logs entries like one female, I viewed that as a potential device for obscuring the fact that there was interstate trafficking of underage girls for purposes of sexual activity. Serious federal offenses.
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But then that evidence extended, you know, more broadly than that. The evidence also started to show, again, if we talk just about flight logs, that the -- that underage girls such as Virginia Roberts were being flown internationally from, for example, Teterboro in New York to -- to locations, just to pick one, you know, for example, in London, where again sexual abuse was occurring.
And so you started to put together this pattern of criminality that was started in this -- you know, I don't know what the right word is here. I don’t want to -- I don't want to -- you know, you've heard discussions of hyperbole and things like that, but we have got this nest of -- of -- and I won't say snakes, but we have this nest of criminals in Florida, but it -- it seems to be spreading to Epstein's mansion in New York; it seems to be spreading to Ghislaine Maxwell's flat in London, and -- and -- and it goes on.
So those are the kinds of things that would have formed the -- the -- the basis, particularly when you -- when you start to add in this fact: What the Palm -- going back now te Florida with the Palm Beach Police Department. What the Palm Beach Police Department has -- had discovered was not a one-off kind of event, you know, on one particular day, one
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71 particular girl had been sexually abused.
What the Palm Beach Police Department had discovered was brazen, notorious, repetitive activity sometimes occurring as often as three times ina particular day. And so that led me to believe that the sexual activity that was going on in Florida was such that someone who was a regular house guest there would
have immediately come to the conclusion that, well,
look, gee, there are these underage girls coming in here
and they -- they seem to be -- you know, they don't seem to be here to be doing, you know, business activities; they ~- they might be here doing other kinds of activities. So those would be the kinds of things that would -- would have formed the factual basis.
There are other things as well, but I'm sure you want to ask other questions in addition to that. So I'll stop there, but those -- that's -- I think gives you a small flavor of the kind of evidence that, you know, was form -~ undergirding the allegations that were being presented here.
Q. ‘It sounds like you quite passionately believe that there was strong evidence that Mr. Epstein had engaged in sexual misconduct; is that right?
A. I think "strong" understates it.
Q. In the course of that long answer, you didn't
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mention Professor Dershowitz's name once.
A. I said flight logs. And let's talk about flight logs.
Q. Let me back up. You didn’t answer his name -- mention his name once; is that -- is that your recollection as well?
A. That's correct. We were talking about a factual basis, and I'll be glad -- I told you that there were other things if you want, factual basis for -- for Mr. Dershowitz. I'll be glad to add that in. Let me -- let's -- let me -- let me -- I would like to supplement my answer then if I could.
Q. Do you want to look at a document?
A. Yes.
Q. Let me first -- have we exhausted your recollection without documents of all the evidence that you would refer to to support the allegation that Professor Dershowitz abused other minors?
A. No.
MR. SCAROLA: And let me say that you have a right to refer to whatever documents you choose to refer to, to be sure that you give a complete response to the question that has been asked, as long as you understand that whatever you refer to is going to be available to the other side, and ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400
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