From: Joscha Bach cfl. To: Jeffrey Epstein <jeevacation@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Joscha Bach Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 14:58:54 +0000 Dear Jeffrey, Thank you! The Canonical Computation in Brains and Machines symposium (here at NYU) is really worth it, the highlight was Yann LeCun today, explaining how learning is mostly not working on actual real-world data but on predictive simulations (so we anticipate being hit by a car and learn from that, instead having to try it). Yesterday's highlight was a coffee break conversation with Jean-Remi King, a member of Dehaene's lab, about consciousness. They have a very sober perspective, neither the misidentification of descriptive brain scans with the processes that must be implemented, nor the bright lunacy of the Hameroff crowd. Regardless, last year's Science of Consciousness conference triggered a number of insights for me. Especially, I began to understand what Penrose and Hameroff and Tagg and Tononi are trying to achieve. Their projects are doomed, I think, because they all make mechanistic theories of a domain that they consider to be not computational (consciousness cannot be mechanical they think), but I see why they have no choice but to try anyway. No computational model can explain consciousness happening in real-time and actuality, so they must be looking for a meta computational system, which unfortunately also must be outside the realm of formal theorizing, I think. Conversely, Dehaene, Frankish, Dennett, Graziano and Drescher (and me) don't think that consciousness does happen in actuality, but is essentially just a memory of experiences that did not necessarily happen, so it is much easier to explain. I got invited to participate in a panel on this year's Science of Consciousness in Tucson, and they also accepted my talk on meta computation. Are you planning to come this year? — Joscha > On Mar 18, 2018, at 10:37, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com> wrote: > you can purchase tickets for him just not for his family > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 10:33 AM, wrote: > Below from Joscha Bach Re we will not be purchasing him tickets to conference in Tucson: > No problem at all. Was he opposed to me presenting at the Science of Consciousness Conference? > Sent from my iPhone > -- > please note > The information contained in this communication is EFTA00859073 > confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may > constitute inside information, and is intended only for > the use of the addressee. It is the property of > JEE > Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this > communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited > and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately by > return e-mail or by e-mail to jeevacation@gmail.com, and > destroy this communication and all copies thereof, > including all attachments. copyright -all rights reserved EFTA00859074